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PostSubyek: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:59 pm

SUKHOI SU-25 " FROGFOOT"

Russian Su-25TM
The Sukhoi Su-25 (NATO reporting name: Frogfoot) is a single-seat, twin-engine jet aircraft developed in the Soviet Union by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. It was designed to provide close air support for the Soviet Ground Forces. The first prototype made its maiden flight on 22 February 1975. After testing, the aircraft went into series production in 1978 at Tbilisi in the Soviet Republic of Georgia. Russian air and ground forces nicknamed it "Grach" ("Rook").

Early variants included the Su-25UB two-seat trainer, the Su-25BM for target-towing, and the Su-25K for export customers. Upgraded variants developed by Sukhoi include the Su-25T and the further improved Su-25TM (also known as Su-39). By year 2007, the Su-25 is the only armoured airplane still in production except the Su-34 whose production just started. It is currently in service with Russia and various other CIS states as well as export customers.

During its more than twenty-five years in service, the Su-25 has seen combat with several air forces. It was heavily involved in the Soviet war in Afghanistan, flying counter-insurgency missions against the Mujahideen. The Iraqi Air Force employed Su-25s against Iran during the 1980–89 Iran–Iraq War. Most of them were later destroyed or fled to Iran in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. In 1993, Abkhazian separatists used Su-25s against Georgians during the Abkhazian War. Eight years later, the Macedonian Air Force employed Su-25s against Albanian insurgents in the 2001 Macedonia conflict, and in 2008, Georgia and Russia reportedly used Su-25s in the South Ossetian conflict.

Development
In early 1968, the Soviet Ministry of Defence decided to develop a specialised shturmovik armoured assault aircraft in order to provide close air support for the Soviet Ground Forces. The idea of creating a ground-support aircraft came about after analysing the experience of shturmovaya (attack) aviation during World War II, and in local wars during the 1950s and 1960s.[4] The Soviet fighter-bombers in service or under development at this time (Su-7, Su-17, MiG-21 and MiG-23) did not meet the requirements for close air support of the army. They lacked essential armour plating to protect the pilot and vital equipment from ground fire and missile hits, and their high flight speeds made it difficult for the pilot to maintain visual contact with a target. Having taken into account these problems, Pavel Sukhoi and a group of leading specialists in the Sukhoi Design Bureau started preliminary design work in a comparatively short period of time, with the assistance of leading institutes of the Ministry of the Aviation Industry and the Ministry of Defence.

In March 1969, a competition was announced by the Soviet Air Force that called for designs for a new battlefield close-support aircraft. Participants in the competition were the Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Design Bureaus of Yakovlev, Ilyushin and Mikoyan. Sukhoi finalised its "T-8" design in late 1968, and began in work on the first two prototypes (T8-1 and T8-2) in January 1972. The T8-1, the first airframe to be assembled, was completed just before a major national holiday on 9 May 1974. However, it did not make its first flight until 22 February 1975, after a long series of test flights by Vladimir Ilyushin. The Su-25 surpassed its main competitor in the Soviet Air Force competition, the Ilyushin Il-102, and series production was announced by the Ministry of Defence.

During flight-testing phases of the T8-1 and T8-2 prototypes' development, the Sukhoi Design Bureau's management proposed that the series production of the Su-25 should start at Factory No. 31 in Tbilisi, Soviet Republic of Georgia, which at that time was the major manufacturing base for the MiG-21UM "Mongol-B" trainer. After negotiations and completion of all stages of the state trials, the Soviet Ministry of Aircraft Production authorised manufacture of the Su-25 at Tbilisi, allowing series production to start in 1978.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s, several Su-25 variants appeared, including modernised versions, and variants for specialised roles. The most significant designs were the Su-25UB dual-seat trainer, the Su-25BM target-towing variant, and the Su-25T for antitank missions. In addition, an Su-25KM prototype was developed by Georgia in co-operation with Israeli company Elbit Systems in 2001, but so far this variant has not achieved much commercial success. The Su-25 is the only armoured airplane still in production in 2007.

The Russian Air Force operates the largest number of Su-25s, and has plans to upgrade older aircraft to the Su-25SM variant. However, this process has been slowed due to a funding shortfall, by early 2007 only seven aircraft had been modified.

Design
The Su-25 has a normal aerodynamic layout with a shoulder-mounted trapezoidal wing and a conventional tailplane and rudder. Several different metals in differing amounts are used in the construction of the airframe: 60% aluminium, 19% steel, 13.5% titanium, 2% magnesium alloy, and 5.5% other materials.



Cockpit

su25km-2 scorpion.


su25


su39

The pilot flies the aircraft by means of a centre stick and left hand throttles. The pilot sits on a Zvezda K-36 ejection seat (similar to the Sukhoi Su-27), and has standard flight instruments. At the rear of the cockpit is a 6 mm (0.24 in) thick steel headrest, mounted on the rear bulkhead. The cockpit has a bathtub-shaped armoured enclosure of welded titanium sheets, with transit ports located in the walls. Guide rails for the ejection seat are mounted on the rear wall of the cockpit.

The canopy hinges open to the right, and the pilot enters using the flip-down ladder. Once inside, the pilot sits low in the cockpit, protected by the bathtub assembly which makes for a cramped cockpit. Visibility from the cockpit is limited, being a trade-off for improved pilot protection. Rearwards visibility is very limited, though a periscope is fitted on top of the canopy to compensate. The basic model's cockpit control layout is rather old-fashioned. The newer Su-25TM and Su-25SM models have an upgraded avionics and weapons suite, resulting in improved survivability and combat capability.

The cannon is located in a compartment beneath the cockpit, mounted on a load-bearing beam attached to the cockpit floor and the forward fuselage support structure. An airtight avionics compartment is behind the cockpit and in front of the forward fuel tank. On the left-hand rear side of the cockpit, a built-in ladder provides access to the cockpit, the upper part of the engine nacelles, and the wing. The nose is fitted with distinctive twin pitot probes and hinges up for service access.

Wings and fuselage
All versions of the Su-25 have a metal cantilever wing, of moderate sweep and high aspect ratio, and equipped with high-lift devices. The wing consists of two cantilever sections attached to a central torsion box, forming a single unit with the fuselage. The air brakes are housed in separate fairings at the tip of each wing. Each wing has five hardpoints for weapons carriage, with the attachment points mounted on load-bearing ribs and spars. Each wing also features a five-section leading edge slat, a two-section flap, and an aileron.

The flaps are mounted by steel sliders and rollers, attached to brackets on the rear spar. The trapezoidal ailerons are located near the wingtips. The fuselage of the Su-25 has an ellipsoidal section and is of semi-monocoque, stressed-skin construction, arranged as a longitudinal load-bearing framework of longerons, beams and stringers, with a transverse load-bearing assembly of frames. The one-piece horizontal tailplane is attached to the load-bearing frame at two mounting points.






Nose views of the Su-25

Avionics
The avionics system of the Su-25 consists of several components:

* Weapons-aiming system, providing targeting data for ground munitions, as well as the targeting of aircraft in VMC: the Klen-PS laser rangefinder utilises a glass porthole in the aircraft's nose and is perhaps the most notable item of avionics. It provides a laser target designation capability whereby the pilot locks the designator onto a target through his gun-sight allowing launch of a laser-guided missile and using the Klen-PS to guide it. Dropping a laser-guided bomb would be more difficult, however, given the porthole’s forward view. This suggests that Su-25s would use "buddy designation" i.e. one aircraft standing off a safe distance to illuminate a target while the other attacked it.
* A DISS-7 Doppler radar
* Navigation system, permitting flight in day and night conditions, both in VMC and IMC, and providing flight data for the weapons-control system and flight instruments
* Radios for air-to-ground and air-to-air communications
* Weapons-control system
* Self-defence suite, incorporating infra-red, flare and chaff dispensers capable of launching about 250 flares and dipole chaff, and an SRO radar warning receiver that can alert the pilot of incoming attacks on the aircraft
* An SPO-15 radar homing & warning system (RHAWS)
* An SO-69 identification-friend-or-foe (IFF) transponder.

Variants


Su-25
The basic version of the aircraft was produced at Factory 31, at Tbilisi, in the Soviet Republic of Georgia. Between 1978 and 1989, 582 single-seat Su-25s were produced in Georgia, not including aircraft produced under the Su-25K export program. This variant of the aircraft represents the backbone of the Russian Air Force's Su-25 fleet, currently the largest in the world.

The aircraft experienced a number of accidents in operational service caused by system failures attributed to salvo firing of weapons. In the wake of these incidents, use of its main armament, the 240 mm S-24 missile, was prohibited. In its place, the FAB-500 500 kg general-purpose high-explosive bomb became the primary armament.

Su-25K

The basic Su-25 model was used as the basis for a commercial export variant, known as the Su-25K (Komercheskiy). This model was also built at Factory 31 in Tbilisi. The aircraft differed from the Soviet Air Force version in certain minor details concerning internal equipment. A total of 180 Su-25K aircraft were built between 1984 and 1989.

Su-25UB

The Su-25UB trainer (Uchebno-Boyevoy) was drawn up in 1977. The first prototype, called "T-8UB-1", was rolled out in July 1985 and its maiden flight was carried out at the Ulan-Ude factory airfield on 12 August of that year. It was intended for training and evaluation flights of active-duty pilots, and for training pilot cadets at Soviet Air Force flying schools.

The performance of the Su-25UB did not differ substantially from that of the single-seater. The navigation, attack, sighting devices and weapons-control systems of the two-seater enabled it to be used for both routine training and weapons-training missions.[31] By the end of 1986, a total of 25 Su-25UBs had been produced at Ulan-Ude, despite the fact that the twin-seater had not yet completed its State trials and therefore had not been officially cleared for service with the Soviet Air Force.

Su-25UBK

From 1986 to 1989, in parallel with the construction of the main Su-25UB combat training variant, the Ulan-Ude plant produced the so-called "commercial" Su-25UBK, intended for export to countries that bought the Su-25K, and with similar modifications to that aircraft.

Su-25UTG

The Su-25UTG (Uchebno-Trenirovochnyy s Gakom) is a variant of the Su-25UB designed to train pilots in takeoff and landing on a land-based simulated carrier deck, with a sloping ski-jump section and arrester wires. The first one flew in September 1988, and approximately 10 were produced. About half remained in Russian service after 1991, used with Russia's sole aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. Such a small number of aircraft were insufficient to serve the training needs of Russia's carrier air group, so a number of Su-25UBs were converted into Su-25UTGs, these aircraft being distinguished by the alternative designation Su-25UBP (Uchebno-Boyevoy Palubny) —the adjective "palubnyy" meaning "deck", indicating that these aircraft have a naval function.[35] About ten of these aircraft are currently operational in the Russian Navy as part of the 279th Naval Aviation Regiment.

Su-25BM

The Su-25BM (Buksirovshchik Misheney) is a target-towing variant of the Su-25 whose development began in 1986. The prototype, designated "T-8BM1", successfully flew for the first time on 22 March 1990, at Tbilisi, and the aircraft was put into production after completion of the test phase.
The Su-25BM target-tower was designed to provide towed target facilities for training ground forces and naval personnel in ground-to-air or naval surface-to-air missile systems. It is powered by an R-195 engine and equipped with an RSDN-10 long-range navigation system, an analogue of the Western LORAN system.

Su-25T



Russian Su-25TM. Carries (from tip to fuselage) R-73, R-77, 8*Vikhr, Kh-29T, Kh-58. White dome of "Kopyo" radar container is seen below, while two Omul ECM pods lie beside the aircraft.

The Su-25T (Tankovy) is a dedicated antitank version, which has been battle tested with notable success in combat missions over Chechnya. Avionics have been modified, including a sophisticated autopilot and HUD installed. It is equipped with "Shkval" TV observation and aiming system with laser rangefinder and target designator in the nose cone (the same is used on the Ka-50 attack helicopter) and may carry "Vikhr" laser beam riding AT missiles in 8-tube launchers (Ka-50 carries the same missiles in 6-tube launchers). The efficiency of this weapon system on a jet plane is disputed, as it is not a "fire-and-forget" weapon, and while a hovering helicopter may illuminate a target[citation needed] with a laser while staying at maximum range, a Su-25T flying towards its target until the "Vikhr" impact may eventually enter the range of close air defences. The night vision capabilities of "Shkval" are limited. For night operations a container with low-light TV "Merkuriy" system may be carried under the fuselage (having only 5x magnification in comparison with 23x of the "Shkval"). Alternatively, the "Fantasmagoria" passive radar sensor container may be carried, which provides targeting data for anti-radiation missiles, giving the Su-25T an air defence suppression capability. The Su-25T can also employ the KAB-500Kr TV-guided bomb and Kh-29T TV-guided heavy tactical air-to-ground missile.

A second-generation Su-25T, the Su-25TM (also designated Su-39), has been developed with improved navigation and attack systems, and better survivability. While retaining the built-in "Shkval" of Su-25T, it may carry "Kopyo" (rus. "Spear") radar in the container under fuselage, which is used for engaging air targets (with RVV-AE/R-77 missiles) as well as ships (with Kh-31 and Kh-35 antiship missiles). The Russian Air Force has received only a small number of each version so far. However, the improved avionics systems designed for these aircraft have been utilised in the Su-25SM, an interim upgrade for the series-produced Russian Air Force Su-25, resulting in superior survivability and combat capability.

Su-25KM

The SU-25KM (Kommercheskiy Modernizirovannyy), nicknamed "Scorpion", is an Su-25 upgrade programme announced in early 2001 by the original manufacturer, Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing in Georgia, in partnership with Elbit Systems of Israel. The prototype aircraft made its maiden flight on 18 April 2001 at Tbilisi in full Georgian Air Force markings.
The aircraft uses a standard Su-25 airframe, enhanced with advanced avionics including a glass cockpit, digital map generator, helmet-mounted display, computerised weapons system, complete mission pre-plan capability, and fully redundant backup modes. Performance enhancements include a highly accurate navigation system, pinpoint weapon delivery systems, all-weather and day/night performance, NATO compatibility, state-of-the art safety and survivability features, and advanced onboard debriefing capabilities complying with international requirements.

Su-28

The Sukhoi Su-28 (also designated as Su-25UT - Uchebno-Trenirovochnyy) is an advanced basic jet trainer, built on the basis of the Su-25UB as a private initiative by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. The Su-28 is a light aircraft designed to replace the Czechoslovak Aero L-39 Albatros. Unlike the basic Su-25UB, it lacks a weapons-control system, built-in cannon, weapons hardpoints, and engine armour.

Other

* Su-25R (Razvedchik) – a tactical reconnaissance variant designed in 1978, but never built.
* Su-25U3 (Uchebnyy 3-myestny) – also known as the "Russian Troika", was a three-seat basic trainer aircraft. The project was suspended in 1991 due to lack of funding.
* Su-25U (Uchebnyy) – a trainer variant of Su-25s produced in Georgia between 1996 and 1998. Three aircraft were built in total, all for the Georgian Air Force.
* Su-25M1 Modernized by Ukrainian Air Force. 1 built, few more are ordered.[citation needed]
* Su-25UBM1 Modernized by Ukrainian Air Force.

Specifications (Su-25TM)
Data from Sukhoi Su-25 Frogfoot.

General characteristics

* Crew: one pilot
* Length: 15.33 m (50 ft 11)
* Wingspan: 14.36 m (47 ft 1 in)
* Height: 4.80 m (15 ft 9 in)
* Wing area: 30.1 m² (324 ft²)
* Empty weight: 10,740 kg (23,677 lb)
* Loaded weight: 16,990 kg (37,456 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 20,500 kg (45,194 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Tumansky R-195 turbojets, 44.18 kN (9,480 lbf) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: 950 km/h (590 mph, Mach 0.82)
* Combat radius: 375 km (235 mi)
* Ferry range: 2,500 km (1,553 mi)
* Service ceiling: 10,000 m (22,200 ft)
* Rate of climb: 58 m/s (11,400 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 584 kg/m² (119 lb/ft²)
* Thrust/weight: 0.51

Armament

* 1 × GSh-30-2 30mm cannon with 250 rounds
* 11 hardpoints for up to 4,400 kg (9,700 lb) of disposable ordnance, including rails for 2 × R-60 (AA-8 'Aphid') or other air-to-air missiles for self-defence and a wide variety of general-purpose bombs, cluster bombs, gun pods, rocket pods, laser-guided bombs, and air-to-surface missiles such as the Kh-25ML or Kh-29L.








su25 drop the boms.


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DARI PADA BERPOLEMIK MENGENAI PENGANTIAN OV 10 BRONCO DENGAN SUPER TUCANO MENDING DPR RI DEPHAN & TNI AU MEMIKIRKAN PESAWAT INI, SEBAGAI PESAWAT LATIH ANTI GRILYA MEMBAWA SENJATA LEBIH BANYAK DAN SUDAH TERUJI DI BERBAGAI MEDAN PERTEMPURAN DAN LEBIH AMAN DARI EMBARGO !!!






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PostSubyek: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:27 pm

bagus juga, btw klu penganti hawk bung betome merekomendasikan pesawat apa klu bisa dicompare kelebihan n kekurangannya
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:46 pm

Admin wrote:
bagus juga, btw klu penganti hawk bung betome merekomendasikan pesawat apa klu bisa dicompare kelebihan n kekurangannya


gwe ada 3 pilihan

1. yak 130 brand new design avionik serta sistem senjata ok harus tot kemungkinan gak ada embargo.

2. T50 golden eagle korsel tot ok avionik sistem senjata ok kemungkinan embargo ada dari us.

3. jf17 thunder pakistan tot ok avionik sistem sistem senjata ok kemungkinan embargo ada dari china.

tni au harus berpikiran maju kedepan hapus saja f16 dari inventori arsenal au jadi dari advance training ke 3 pesawat diatas langsung aja ke su 30 / 35bm lalu kfx dan pakfa.

kemudian untuk counter insurgensi jangan pakai super tukano mending su 25 dengan seri tercangih karena kemampunya jauh di atas super tukano ataupun a10c thunderbolt kalau tni perlu banyak harus disertai tot !!!
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:34 pm

terlapas dari masalah embargo trus kekurangan fisik pesawat apa aja? trus daya tahan tempur? daya manuver n agresifitas?

T-50 GE kekurangannya apa?
Yak 130 -------//--------------
jf-17-----------------//--------

kelebihan & kekurangan dari ke3 pesawat tersebut apa aja
dari segi manuver, persenjataan, n jarak jelajah gmn???

dari yg saya lihat saya demen klu kita pake T-50
klu bung betome recomentnya apa? cari
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:13 am

frogfoot nih profilnya hampir sama dgn A-10 nya amerika,termasuk kategori pembom berat. bagus sih,tp kynya biaya pemeliharaannya mahal..... kok saya lebih sk tipe pesawat COIN yg berpropeler yah,lebih lincah bermanuver.... klo SU 25 nih memang daya gempurnya besar tank rontok klo kena bomnya.... cuman yah itu dah negara kita kan ms banyak hutannya saya rasa tipe pesawat seperti propeler lebih cocok,krn biaya pemeliharaan dan lain2nya tergolong murah...... dan bs dipake patroli perbatasan,toh penggantinya bronco katanya KSAU digunakan untuk pesawat COIN dan patroli perbatasan dikalimantan... klo hematnya yah pilih yg berpropeler ky Tucano,tp klo pemerintah pingin yg deterencenya besar n biaya perawatan besar yah SU 25 ini jawabannya....
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:11 pm

Admin wrote:
terlapas dari masalah embargo trus kekurangan fisik pesawat apa aja? trus daya tahan tempur? daya manuver n agresifitas?

T-50 GE kekurangannya apa?
Yak 130 -------//--------------
jf-17-----------------//--------

kelebihan & kekurangan dari ke3 pesawat tersebut apa aja
dari segi manuver, persenjataan, n jarak jelajah gmn???

dari yg saya lihat saya demen klu kita pake T-50
klu bung betome recomentnya apa? cari


disini akan dibahas antara t50 vs yak 130 saja...jf 17 bukan masuk kelas latih lanjut tapi kategori serang pencegat = f16, t50 ge lebih irit krn 1 mesin persenjataan banyak tapi jelajahnya kurang sedang yak 130 lebih boros 2 mesin jelajahnya lebih jauh dan lebih lincah karena 2mesin..jadi masing 2 punya kelebihan dan kekurangan....biasanya pesawat single engine tahap trainer awal kemudian di lanjut dgn double engine ...tni au kedepanya banyak memakai su yg double engine jadi baiknya sejak awal pilot dilatih mengunakan pswt ya twint engine
tapi kebihan lain dari T50 GE adalah tot sedang yak 130 tidak ada bisa diakali dgn latihan simulator su dari pilot t50 ge atau f 16 untuk jadi pilot su jadi rekoment saya ya t50 ge biar pt di ada kerjaan !!

data teknis yak 130

General characteristics

* Crew: 2 pilots
* Length: 11.49 m (37 ft 8 in)
* Wingspan: 9.72 m (31 ft 10 in)
* Height: 4.76 m (15 ft 7 in)
* Wing area: 23.52 m² (253.2 sq ft)
* Empty weight: 4,600 kg (10,141 lb)
* Loaded weight: 6,350 kg (14,000 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 6,500 kg (14,330 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Klimov-Motor sich AI-222-25 turbofan, 21.58 kN (4,852 lbf) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: 1,050 km/h (644 mph)
* Cruise speed: 887 km/h (551 mph)
* Stall speed: 165 km/h (103 mph)
* Range: 2,546 km (1,582 miles)
* Service ceiling: 12,500 m (42,660 ft)
* Rate of climb: 50 m/s (10,000 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 276.4 kg/m² (56.60 lb/sq ft)
* Thrust/weight: 0.68

Armament

Nine hard points for a mixed load of all types of Russian and western air to air (short to medium range) and air to ground dumb and smart bombs


data teknis T50 GE

General characteristics

* Crew: 2
* Length: 12.98 m (42 ft 7 in)
* Wingspan: 9.17 m (30 ft 1 in)
* Height: 4.78 m (15 ft 8.25 in)
* Empty weight: 6,450 kg (14,200 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 13,500 kg (29,700 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× General Electric F404 afterburning turbofan
o Dry thrust: 53.07 kN (11,925 lbf)
o Thrust with afterburner: 78.7 kN (17,700 lbf)

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 1.5
* Range: 1,851 km (1,150 mi)
* Service ceiling: 16,760 m (55,000 ft)
* Thrust/weight: 0.96
* Max g limit: -3 g / +8 g

Armament

* Guns: 1× A-50 3-barreled 20 mm M197 Gatling gun
* Rockets: LAU-3/68
* Missiles:
o Air-to-air: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinder
o Air-to-ground: 6× AGM-65 Maverick
* Bombs: 5× CBU-58 cluster, 9× Mk 82, 3× Mk 83/MK 84, and 9× Mk 20
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:18 pm

gearbox wrote:
frogfoot nih profilnya hampir sama dgn A-10 nya amerika,termasuk kategori pembom berat. bagus sih,tp kynya biaya pemeliharaannya mahal..... kok saya lebih sk tipe pesawat COIN yg berpropeler yah,lebih lincah bermanuver.... klo SU 25 nih memang daya gempurnya besar tank rontok klo kena bomnya.... cuman yah itu dah negara kita kan ms banyak hutannya saya rasa tipe pesawat seperti propeler lebih cocok,krn biaya pemeliharaan dan lain2nya tergolong murah...... dan bs dipake patroli perbatasan,toh penggantinya bronco katanya KSAU digunakan untuk pesawat COIN dan patroli perbatasan dikalimantan... klo hematnya yah pilih yg berpropeler ky Tucano,tp klo pemerintah pingin yg deterencenya besar n biaya perawatan besar yah SU 25 ini jawabannya....

menimbang situasi perbatasan terakhir ini saya lebih suka tni au mengunakan su 25 dgn persenjataanya biar gak dilecehkan toh peru dan negara2 hutan amazon dan afrika tropis lainya juga pakai su 25 sbgai coin handal juga sbgai recon !!!!
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:53 pm

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frogfoot nih profilnya hampir sama dgn A-10 nya amerika,termasuk kategori pembom berat. bagus sih,tp kynya biaya pemeliharaannya mahal..... kok saya lebih sk tipe pesawat COIN yg berpropeler yah,lebih lincah bermanuver.... klo SU 25 nih memang daya gempurnya besar tank rontok klo kena bomnya.... cuman yah itu dah negara kita kan ms banyak hutannya saya rasa tipe pesawat seperti propeler lebih cocok,krn biaya pemeliharaan dan lain2nya tergolong murah...... dan bs dipake patroli perbatasan,toh penggantinya bronco katanya KSAU digunakan untuk pesawat COIN dan patroli perbatasan dikalimantan... klo hematnya yah pilih yg berpropeler ky Tucano,tp klo pemerintah pingin yg deterencenya besar n biaya perawatan besar yah SU 25 ini jawabannya....

menimbang situasi perbatasan terakhir ini saya lebih suka tni au mengunakan su 25 dgn persenjataanya biar gak dilecehkan toh peru dan negara2 hutan amazon dan afrika tropis lainya juga pakai su 25 sbgai coin handal juga sbgai recon !!!!

bung betome btw Su-25 belum diupgrade ya? kok tampilanya masih kyk pesawat lawas tp bukan jadul lho

cntoh su-27 n 30 banyak variaannya

keluar dari konteks embargo su-25 n A-10 bung betome merekomendasikannya yang mana?

klu saya sih condong ke A-10 bukan berarti saya dukung US

dari simulator H.A.W.X

untuk menjalankan dan manuver kecepatan rendah a-10 jago contoh menukik 360 drajat a-10 lebih cepat daripada su-25

ya itu prediksi dari games simulator bukan yg beneran

tp klu bung gearbox n betome ada pendapat lain silahkan dikoreksi hehehehe
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:44 pm

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frogfoot nih profilnya hampir sama dgn A-10 nya amerika,termasuk kategori pembom berat. bagus sih,tp kynya biaya pemeliharaannya mahal..... kok saya lebih sk tipe pesawat COIN yg berpropeler yah,lebih lincah bermanuver.... klo SU 25 nih memang daya gempurnya besar tank rontok klo kena bomnya.... cuman yah itu dah negara kita kan ms banyak hutannya saya rasa tipe pesawat seperti propeler lebih cocok,krn biaya pemeliharaan dan lain2nya tergolong murah...... dan bs dipake patroli perbatasan,toh penggantinya bronco katanya KSAU digunakan untuk pesawat COIN dan patroli perbatasan dikalimantan... klo hematnya yah pilih yg berpropeler ky Tucano,tp klo pemerintah pingin yg deterencenya besar n biaya perawatan besar yah SU 25 ini jawabannya....

menimbang situasi perbatasan terakhir ini saya lebih suka tni au mengunakan su 25 dgn persenjataanya biar gak dilecehkan toh peru dan negara2 hutan amazon dan afrika tropis lainya juga pakai su 25 sbgai coin handal juga sbgai recon !!!!

bung betome btw Su-25 belum diupgrade ya? kok tampilanya masih kyk pesawat lawas tp bukan jadul lho

cntoh su-27 n 30 banyak variaannya

keluar dari konteks embargo su-25 n A-10 bung betome merekomendasikannya yang mana?

klu saya sih condong ke A-10 bukan berarti saya dukung US

dari simulator H.A.W.X

untuk menjalankan dan manuver kecepatan rendah a-10 jago contoh menukik 360 drajat a-10 lebih cepat daripada su-25

ya itu prediksi dari games simulator bukan yg beneran

tp klu bung gearbox n betome ada pendapat lain silahkan dikoreksi hehehehe


kalau dari bentuk saya a10 kemampuan tetap su 25 clik 1 pilot f18 ma pilot a10 us ngakuin kalau su 25 bukan tandingan a10 clik 2 varian terbarunya su25 tm / scorpion israel georgia dari rusia su39 clik 3 gambar paling atas video kanan bawah dan dalam membandingkan senjata jangan pakai patokan game gak relevansinya harus berdasarkan uji tempur dilapangan dan spek teknisnya.

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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:09 am

patokan saya perang vietnam dan perang korea

dari 2 perang itu yg medannya notabene hutan psawat propeler sekelas OV bronco dan C 130 gunspectre berjaya OV bronco yg punya kemampuan COIN terbang rendah n bermanuver membabat gerilyawan NVA dan pemeliharaan murah sedangkan C 130 membantu arteleri dr udara dengan terbang memutar memusatkan tembakannya disatu titik.

nah medannya indonesia jg notabene hutan yg membutuhkan keakuratan dlm mengenai sasaran

klo A10 itu berjaya pada perang gurun pada invasi irak tahun 1990an dan kemarin 2003,A10 cocok buat membabat Tank irak dan bungker2 pertahanan garda nasional krn termasuk pembom berat

medan yg dilakoni psawat sjenis OV bronco dan A 10 itu berbeda,jd saya berbicara berdasar perang yg sudah terjadi dan tempat digelarnya psawat itu..... walopun dipaksakan A10 menghajar gerilyawan dihutan belantara toh itu tetep aja sulit knp? soalnya A10 bermesin jet yg berkecepatan tinggi jd susah menembak pada tempat yg membutuhkan ke akuratan tinggi macam hutan belantara,lagipula klo sembarangan menembak dan menjatuhkan bom dihutan salah2 bs kena pasukan sendiri,beda klo digurun yg antara musuh dan kawan bs dibedakan....

itu menurut pendapat saya.
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:39 am

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patokan saya perang vietnam dan perang korea

dari 2 perang itu yg medannya notabene hutan psawat propeler sekelas OV bronco dan C 130 gunspectre berjaya OV bronco yg punya kemampuan COIN terbang rendah n bermanuver membabat gerilyawan NVA dan pemeliharaan murah sedangkan C 130 membantu arteleri dr udara dengan terbang memutar memusatkan tembakannya disatu titik.

nah medannya indonesia jg notabene hutan yg membutuhkan keakuratan dlm mengenai sasaran

klo A10 itu berjaya pada perang gurun pada invasi irak tahun 1990an dan kemarin 2003,A10 cocok buat membabat Tank irak dan bungker2 pertahanan garda nasional krn termasuk pembom berat

medan yg dilakoni psawat sjenis OV bronco dan A 10 itu berbeda,jd saya berbicara berdasar perang yg sudah terjadi dan tempat digelarnya psawat itu..... walopun dipaksakan A10 menghajar gerilyawan dihutan belantara toh itu tetep aja sulit knp? soalnya A10 bermesin jet yg berkecepatan tinggi jd susah menembak pada tempat yg membutuhkan ke akuratan tinggi macam hutan belantara,lagipula klo sembarangan menembak dan menjatuhkan bom dihutan salah2 bs kena pasukan sendiri,beda klo digurun yg antara musuh dan kawan bs dibedakan....

itu menurut pendapat saya.

mmm sangat menambah wawasan duh lama-kelamaan saya tambah binggung milih pesawat buat penganti bronco

nah selain su-25, super tucano, pesawat anti greliya apa lagi ya?
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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:16 pm

yah untuk tipe propeler da banyak sih,kategori COIN

1.Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano
http://panamericandefense.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/air_emb-314_super_tucano_dominican_republic_lg.jpg

2.PC 7 pilatus
http://www.flugzeug-bild.de/bilder/pc-7-6942.jpg

3PC 9 pilatus
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Pilatus_PC-9M_Hudournik_landing.jpg

4.KAI KT 1 wong bee
http://pds12.egloos.com/pds/200903/02/84/a0114784_49ab73f162af7.jpg

5 FMA IA 58 Pucará
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Pucara_armamento_picture.jpg

tp yg menonjol yah tucano.....

pesawat gini fungsinya ganda bs buat psawat latih n psawat COIN,klo pucara jg bagus cuman umurnya sama ky bronco ha3

untuk A 10 dan SU 25 itu termasuk ground attack aircraft..... 2 jenis pesawat ini yg menjadi psawat utama yg bermesin jet...



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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:34 pm

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yah untuk tipe propeler da banyak sih,kategori COIN

1.Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano
http://panamericandefense.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/air_emb-314_super_tucano_dominican_republic_lg.jpg

2.PC 7 pilatus
http://www.flugzeug-bild.de/bilder/pc-7-6942.jpg

3PC 9 pilatus
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Pilatus_PC-9M_Hudournik_landing.jpg

4.KAI KT 1 wong bee
http://pds12.egloos.com/pds/200903/02/84/a0114784_49ab73f162af7.jpg

5 FMA IA 58 Pucará
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Pucara_armamento_picture.jpg

tp yg menonjol yah tucano.....

pesawat gini fungsinya ganda bs buat psawat latih n psawat COIN,klo pucara jg bagus cuman umurnya sama ky bronco ha3

untuk A 10 dan SU 25 itu termasuk ground attack aircraft..... 2 jenis pesawat ini yg menjadi psawat utama yg bermesin jet...






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PostSubyek: Re: ALTERNATIF LAIN PENGANTI OV 10 BRONCO.   Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:45 pm

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patokan saya perang vietnam dan perang korea

dari 2 perang itu yg medannya notabene hutan psawat propeler sekelas OV bronco dan C 130 gunspectre berjaya OV bronco yg punya kemampuan COIN terbang rendah n bermanuver membabat gerilyawan NVA dan pemeliharaan murah sedangkan C 130 membantu arteleri dr udara dengan terbang memutar memusatkan tembakannya disatu titik.

nah medannya indonesia jg notabene hutan yg membutuhkan keakuratan dlm mengenai sasaran

klo A10 itu berjaya pada perang gurun pada invasi irak tahun 1990an dan kemarin 2003,A10 cocok buat membabat Tank irak dan bungker2 pertahanan garda nasional krn termasuk pembom berat

medan yg dilakoni psawat sjenis OV bronco dan A 10 itu berbeda,jd saya berbicara berdasar perang yg sudah terjadi dan tempat digelarnya psawat itu..... walopun dipaksakan A10 menghajar gerilyawan dihutan belantara toh itu tetep aja sulit knp? soalnya A10 bermesin jet yg berkecepatan tinggi jd susah menembak pada tempat yg membutuhkan ke akuratan tinggi macam hutan belantara,lagipula klo sembarangan menembak dan menjatuhkan bom dihutan salah2 bs kena pasukan sendiri,beda klo digurun yg antara musuh dan kawan bs dibedakan....

itu menurut pendapat saya.

ground airsupport jet adalah pengembangan lanjut dari counter insurgensi aircraft turboprop dimana mesin jetnya sudah diset untuk kecepatan subsonic jadi tidak terlalu cepat spt supersonic jet tapi juga tidak terlalu lambat seperti turboprop jadi masih cocok untuk anti grilya rimba raya tropis dengan thermal imaging sniper divice akan mampu mendeteksi menghancurkan sasaran keberadaan pasukan grilya musuh dan membedakan pasukan allay dihutan, su 25 varian 39 / scorpion dah ada juga alat komunikasinnya yg langsung antara pilot dengan pasukan allay di hutan / darat saya pikir pesawat ini bisa juga sebagai jadi psw latih karena ada varian tandem dan bermesin twint jet yg memudahkan pilotnya meningkatkan rating skillnya ke pswt su 30/35bm dan psw ini dah battle prove tahan terhadap sam stingernya us & SAYA SANGAT TIDAK YAKIN bila terjadi clash dihutan kalimantan s tukano bisa selamat dari samnya ggk malink !! harga antara su 25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25 dengan s tukano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano beda tipis kalau saya mending su 25 / 39 untuk TNI AU YG TERBAIK.
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